Extended Cruise - Added to Finished Build Thread

Discussion in 'WBO 2017 BIKES' started by tjwilson, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. GuitarlCarl

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    Nice e brake...
    Just slide back in the saddle and grab the tire with yer cheeks. Lol.

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  2. tjwilson

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    Haha... that's the plan for the primary brake :giggle:
     
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  3. tjwilson

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    Refining and prepping front fork pieces and parts.

    Initial trim of rockers. I'll probably reshape and thin these up a bit more. Still need to add bushings

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    Spoon ends for fork horns.

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    In-process mock-up detail.

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    A couple overview shots.

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  4. Jaypem

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    Great Build!
    I'm imagining your just getting started :)
     
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  5. tjwilson

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    Bottom bracket & chainline.

    Bottom bracket cut from donor, holes filled with sheet metal, drilled and inserted onto frame lower straight bar.

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    Bottom bracket and frame in the fixture and ready for weld up. I suppose this is probably the hard way to try and get the BB square and parallel to the frame!

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    Before and after the use of a hole saw.

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    Crank, chainring, pedals and sprocket are from a Schwinn Varsity. I plan to use only the smaller sprocket so the larger one will be removed.

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    The chainline is a little tight to the chain stay. The images below show a derailleur from the same Varsity the cranks came from. The spring seems a little weak and the distance between the chain idler wheels is longer than the derailleur that came with the Traveler. I think the spring and idler wheel distance are contributing to the droop of the return chain. Hate to do it but after forty five plus years I might have to separate the Varsity components! Either that, add an idler to lift the chain past the stay or, live with the use of only four out of five potential gears. Haven't had a chance to check the other derailleur yet.

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  6. TV Casualty

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    That is beautiful, i look forward to following your progress.
     
  7. GuitarlCarl

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    Maybe just a dimple in the stay?

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  8. josh_from_ga

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    That is an impressive amount of work!
     
  9. LukeTheJoker

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    Interesting way to mount a bottom bracket!

    Custom builds with derailleurs usually have chainline issues, maybe hang a derailleur sprocket as a jockey wheel off the back of that tube the bottom bracket is on? That would lift the chain up and should give you clearance...
     
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  10. Falstaff

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    Dig this skinny tire custom job, inspiring.
     
  11. tjwilson

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    Thanks!
     
  12. tjwilson

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    Thanks, I seriously almost went with your suggestion. The weight of the chain, even with the new derailleur that had the stiffer spring, was just too much. I think the chain would bounce and hit the chain stay at every bump in the road with only a dimple. At least with the size dimple I think I could manage to put in the stay.
     
  13. tjwilson

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    YES!

    I initially read your suggestion as using the entire derailleur instead of a single sprocket. And I think that might be what I go with!

    I did play around with mounting a sprocket to a front derailleur, moved that around, and various positions of a single sprocket removed from the derailleur. I have additional "mid stays" that I'm adding that I needed to work around. Ended up returning to using the entire rear derailleur. I just happened to have a second one that's the same age/model as the first so I have a matched set. Visually I think it has the same kind of quirkiness that's going on with the front fork and fits the overall design. I'm close to a test ride. That should let me know if I've introduced too much additional drag. Thanks for the input!
     
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  14. tjwilson

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    Rear derailleur used as a tensioner / idler.

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    Chainline clearance (with mock-up freewheel).

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    Chainline overview.

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    Modifying a second set of seat stay ends to match Traveler seat stays.

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    "Mid stay" mock-up

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  15. The Renaissance Man

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    Well that's different! I like the concept, hope it works.
    Now take the next step and have both derailleurs articulate in concert with each other! :nerd:
     
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  16. tjwilson

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    It is begging for something along those lines. At a minimum a second shifter to manually fine tune alignment when shifting?
     
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  17. The Renaissance Man

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    I'm fully confident that you'll create something cool with it! :cool2:
     
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  18. OddJob

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    I like the upside down derailleur on this! And mounted on a welded on fork tab....slick! Oh, to have welding equipment....and skills....and...
     
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    Derailleur syncing.

    This is a bit of a rambling post. Mostly because I'm still trying to convince myself of the best option. As @The Renaissance Man suggests it would definitely up the "coolness factor" if both derailleurs moved together. The idea also kind of fits in with some of the placement options I originally explored. I entertained trying to get the idler to shift the chain between the front two sprockets. Didn't get too far with that. The idler had to be placed so close to the crank that it would be hit by your heal. Just seams like that derailleur should be doing something in addition to acting as an idler though. The real punch line... the rear derailleur runs through the gears without an issue with the idler derailleur stationary!

    But, out of curiosity I went ahead and messed with it to see what I could do. Didn't get any images. Would have been hard to see what was going on plus, greasy chains and cameras don't mix well. I did throw together a couple diagrams.

    First image shows the set-up I tried. Pretty simple and straightforward. I ran the cable from the shifter, through the idler derailleur, a barrel adjuster, then back to the rear derailleur. The idler derailleur moved through its full range of motion. The rear derailleur moved through about a quarter of its range. Probably because of cable and cable housing stretch and movement? This would actually be perfect if the cable was running through the rear derailleur first. The idler derailleur really doesn't need to move at all.

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    This image shows the best arrangement I could come up with to do that. The problem is that barrel adjuster hanging out in space below the rear derailleur. I'd need to have some type of bracket or arm to hold it in place. Not sure I can make something that doesn't look odd hanging back that far.

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    Still haven't made a final decision. I've got a couple mounting points at the rear axle and the idler derailleur that I could use for an arm/bracket. The cable run from the shifter to the rear derailleur wouldn't change either way so, guess I don't need to make a final decision just yet!
     
  20. squirreldh

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    This may be hard to explain, but im going to try...

    What about using an old cantilever style cable hanger to make a "splitter"? Attach it to the cable coming from the shifter, and run two housings/one cable to both derailleuers from that?

    Pics of cable hanger i am speaking of...

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    Of course you could always order a cable splitter from problem solvers, but making one is more fun :)
     

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