Re: 3-Star Delusion - of bars & saddles...
As a side note, I REALLY like the look of that rear tire without a fender.
As a side note, I REALLY like the look of that rear tire without a fender.
3-Star Delusion - finally an actual ride...
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Re: 3-Star Delusion - of bars & saddles...
Agreed, I'm on the fence about that. I may have a solution, but I have some playing around to do with it first...
Rockit! said:
Agreed, I'm on the fence about that. I may have a solution, but I have some playing around to do with it first...
Re: 3-Star Delusion - Finally an update!
I hope you still use the skirts. I really like the idea of skirts with no fender.
I hope you still use the skirts. I really like the idea of skirts with no fender.
Re: 3-Star Delusion - of bars & saddles...
I'm still planning on the skirts, but I have to trim them a bit to make them fit right. Also, they don't fit as well as they did before after I widened the chainstays. The left one sat on it before reasonably well, but now less so. I'll figure it out though...
I'm still planning on the skirts, but I have to trim them a bit to make them fit right. Also, they don't fit as well as they did before after I widened the chainstays. The left one sat on it before reasonably well, but now less so. I'll figure it out though...
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
More on the skirt fitment. As shown above, the left side skirt sort of fit up reasonably well. The right side, however, really didn't play well with the chain guard. The seem to sit lower on the Columbia frame then they did on their original Higgins host. As a result, the left hangs below the chainstay and the right one overlaps the chain guard a bit. So a bit of trimming is in order to get them to fit.
After overlaying the skirt over the chain guard, I marked it out and proceeded to cut it.
I cut it in the notched fashion to give it some mounting tabs on the bottom, since looses its lower mounting features in the cut.
Rough notching to clear the shape of the chain guard:
With a bit of grinding with a drum sander bit in the Dremel, I shaped the tabs and the notching. Using a brass ball peen, I flared the notched area subtly to get it sit over the curved cross section of the chain guard.
Next comes the fender. The way these skirts fit on the frame, they may hang lower, but they still stick up high enough to prevent the fender from sliding under the fender mount bridge (or top of the seat stay horseshoe, however you want to define it). Also, if it did, the fender would stick down too low under the chain stays. So, I sectioned the fender to get to fit. So, there will be a lower section and an upper section, above and below the seat stays. Here's the lower section fitted:
After that, I broke off and laced up a wheelset for the road bike I'm also building:
Velo Orange polished rims, high-flange hubs, DT Swiss spokes and a Shimano cassette. I elected to use a 11-28 nine-speed instead of a ten to avoid dealing with expensive and fussy chains, as well as shifters...
More on the skirt fitment. As shown above, the left side skirt sort of fit up reasonably well. The right side, however, really didn't play well with the chain guard. The seem to sit lower on the Columbia frame then they did on their original Higgins host. As a result, the left hangs below the chainstay and the right one overlaps the chain guard a bit. So a bit of trimming is in order to get them to fit.
After overlaying the skirt over the chain guard, I marked it out and proceeded to cut it.
I cut it in the notched fashion to give it some mounting tabs on the bottom, since looses its lower mounting features in the cut.
Rough notching to clear the shape of the chain guard:
With a bit of grinding with a drum sander bit in the Dremel, I shaped the tabs and the notching. Using a brass ball peen, I flared the notched area subtly to get it sit over the curved cross section of the chain guard.
Next comes the fender. The way these skirts fit on the frame, they may hang lower, but they still stick up high enough to prevent the fender from sliding under the fender mount bridge (or top of the seat stay horseshoe, however you want to define it). Also, if it did, the fender would stick down too low under the chain stays. So, I sectioned the fender to get to fit. So, there will be a lower section and an upper section, above and below the seat stays. Here's the lower section fitted:
After that, I broke off and laced up a wheelset for the road bike I'm also building:
Velo Orange polished rims, high-flange hubs, DT Swiss spokes and a Shimano cassette. I elected to use a 11-28 nine-speed instead of a ten to avoid dealing with expensive and fussy chains, as well as shifters...
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
Great work on the skirts and fender!
The vents in that skirt play really well with the accents on the chainguard.
Way to go man!
Great work on the skirts and fender!
The vents in that skirt play really well with the accents on the chainguard.
Way to go man!
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
Good choice with the mustache bars, mounted either way.
Good choice with the mustache bars, mounted either way.
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
Thanks guys.
This picture really belongs above, but oh well. Sectioning the fender to fit over the stays:
And here, I'm notching the left side skirt to fit over the chain stay and clear the kickstand:
I still need a photo of this side fitted up. A little work with a small sanding drum and it looks pretty good, fits well. Dremels are such handy tools...
You might have the impression at this point that I'm sectioning the fender to fit the full fender on, as shown in an earlier photo. But you might recall that I wanted to leave the BermMaster exposed. I'll disclose my plan (or at least part of it). With a cut-cut here and cut-cut there, another piece of the fender falls away:
Here it is trimmed up and fitted:
I am doing a little more with this yet, but I'm not yet at liberty to say what just now...
Thanks guys.
This picture really belongs above, but oh well. Sectioning the fender to fit over the stays:
And here, I'm notching the left side skirt to fit over the chain stay and clear the kickstand:
I still need a photo of this side fitted up. A little work with a small sanding drum and it looks pretty good, fits well. Dremels are such handy tools...
You might have the impression at this point that I'm sectioning the fender to fit the full fender on, as shown in an earlier photo. But you might recall that I wanted to leave the BermMaster exposed. I'll disclose my plan (or at least part of it). With a cut-cut here and cut-cut there, another piece of the fender falls away:
Here it is trimmed up and fitted:
I am doing a little more with this yet, but I'm not yet at liberty to say what just now...
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
I like the way it is coming together multiple curves supporting each other leading the eye on to...
I like the way it is coming together multiple curves supporting each other leading the eye on to...
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
I was so hoping that you would put a bik spike on the back fender like that, but it turned out even cooler than what was in my mind.
This build keeps bumping it up a notch with each bit that you do.
Keep it coming!!
I was so hoping that you would put a bik spike on the back fender like that, but it turned out even cooler than what was in my mind.
This build keeps bumping it up a notch with each bit that you do.
Keep it coming!!
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
Thanks. Little by little, it takes shape. That's good, because the ideas are only forming little by little... Last year I had a plan in advance and stuck fairly close to it. This year, I'm sort of letting take shape on its own. I really wanted the point to extend farther aft, but there was a mounting hole in the top of it for the Higgins rack that poked through right were I wanted to be. Since I don't have a way to fill the hole and retain the chrome plating under the paint, it trimmed it short of the hole. But, as I said, I'm not done with this yet. Now that the fender skirting is figured out, I can start sorting out the other body panels that I'm planning...
Thanks. Little by little, it takes shape. That's good, because the ideas are only forming little by little... Last year I had a plan in advance and stuck fairly close to it. This year, I'm sort of letting take shape on its own. I really wanted the point to extend farther aft, but there was a mounting hole in the top of it for the Higgins rack that poked through right were I wanted to be. Since I don't have a way to fill the hole and retain the chrome plating under the paint, it trimmed it short of the hole. But, as I said, I'm not done with this yet. Now that the fender skirting is figured out, I can start sorting out the other body panels that I'm planning...
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
Nice, REAL REAL NICE....expjawa said:Thanks guys.
This picture really belongs above, but oh well. Sectioning the fender to fit over the stays:
And here, I'm notching the left side skirt to fit over the chain stay and clear the kickstand:
I still need a photo of this side fitted up. A little work with a small sanding drum and it looks pretty good, fits well. Dremels are such handy tools...
You might have the impression at this point that I'm sectioning the fender to fit the full fender on, as shown in an earlier photo. But you might recall that I wanted to leave the BermMaster exposed. I'll disclose my plan (or at least part of it). With a cut-cut here and cut-cut there, another piece of the fender falls away:
Here it is trimmed up and fitted:
I am doing a little more with this yet, but I'm not yet at liberty to say what just now...
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
Looking good, love those Berm Masters.
Luke.
Looking good, love those Berm Masters.
Luke.
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
love the look man SWEEEEEEEEET
love the look man SWEEEEEEEEET
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Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
This picture is kinda scary. Reminds me of my vasectomy...BE CAREFUL! :shock:
This picture is kinda scary. Reminds me of my vasectomy...BE CAREFUL! :shock:
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
<< haha!! ouch.
<< haha!! ouch.
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
Haha... not to worry. It isn't final form yet... :mrgreen:
Haha... not to worry. It isn't final form yet... :mrgreen:
Re: 3-Star Delusion - skirting the issue...
Like the way you blended the skirts and fender, looking forward to your next steps...
Like the way you blended the skirts and fender, looking forward to your next steps...
Re: 3-Star Delusion - of fins, skirts and scoops...
Thanks guys. As I said, that wasn't the end of the fender situation. In order to keep the thread current and promote rampant speculation, I present this crappy teaser image:
Thanks guys. As I said, that wasn't the end of the fender situation. In order to keep the thread current and promote rampant speculation, I present this crappy teaser image:
