RRBBO13 Five Points

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  1. Dizzle Problems

    Dizzle Problems

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    Ok. Why not. I wasn’t gonna jump in, because I’m gonna be doin a 8 day bike tour in June. But recently reread the rules and we have until August!
    So figured I’d join the fun.
    Build will be simple, all bolt on, and a true rat.
    Here’s the frame I’ll be using-
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    I believe it’s a 40s Elgin. But I’m not positive. I think the frame will pretty much be the only thing used from this picture. I’ve had an idea for this frame for awhile now, and I’ve got more then enough parts on hand.
    I should mention, I don’t plan on spending a dime on this build from this point forward. But use what I’ve got.
     
  2. SSG

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    Looks like some good parts to start with.
     
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  3. kingfish254

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    Can't go wrong with a Murray built Elgin as a starting point!
     
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  4. Dizzle Problems

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    Hmmm.... which fork to go with....
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  5. Dizzle Problems

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    Any guesses on a year for this guy @kingfish254 ? I know it’s pre ‘52, but that's bout it. Stoked you confirmed Murray built.
    Also, a piece purchased from you some time ago will be goin on this build...:113:
     
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  6. Dizzle Problems

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    Maybe a springer? The pink would look nice
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  7. handyandy1100

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    Wow, looks like you've come to a fork in the road already in your project. Actually several of them! LOL

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  8. The Renaissance Man

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    Nice bike already!
     
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  9. MazdaFlyer

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    I’d say your frame is 1940 (or older), 1941 and newer had a forged weld smooth formed connection between the chain stays and bottom bracket and post 1940 the down tubes are curved instead of straight on 1940 and earlier. Your frame looks to match my 1940. Nice place to start with another Elgin or Murray built frame.
     
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  10. OneHorsePower

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    straight seat tube , ye 37-39 elgin
    good base ! :113:
    whats with having that many almost identical forks ?:39:
     
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  11. Dizzle Problems

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    Dang, that makes this my oldest bike.
    As far forks, I have a typical aesthetic. Most of my builds are aimed at the ‘78-‘86 look of bmx influenced cruisers. The top left three are in fact, the same. Most the rest are different though.
     
  12. Dizzle Problems

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    I think one of the previous owners really liked the grease ports..

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    The bb area is extremely caked. Started at it with degreaser and nothin. Thinkin I may do a vinegar soak.
     
  13. OddJob

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    whoooaaaa-ho-ho! Yeah, I'd start with a putty knife, then a heavy bristled brush soaked in whatever and sacrifice a couple of beach towels to wipe it off / out ; then soak. :eek:
     
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  14. RustyGold

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    Your frame looks the same as my Derby...and I dated it ~ '38/'39. Beautiful frame.

    Jason
     
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  15. RustyGold

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    This has a 'MOD' serial number, which should place it as a '39 Elgin...

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    ...this is a Derby, with an 'MD' serial...which seems to be accepted as a '39 as well...

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    ...this is my Derby, also with a 'MD' serial...so '39...

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    So, that would seem to indicate that sometime in '39, Murray changed from the conventional chain stays to the forged. -OR- possibly, 'MD' isn't the equivalent of 'MOD' and doesn't indicate '39, it is just a prefix for 'Derby' branded bikes. I don't know which is the case...so, I refer to mine as ~'38-'39 :grin:. MazdaFlyer had some good observations on his thread as well...so, ???

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  16. MazdaFlyer

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    Now I’m confused...Sears catalog illustrations show 1940 with straight down tube and 1941 with curved down tube.
     
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    Given the catalog scans that MF shared... I'm going to go along with his dating guidelines. It appears that the Murray serial number to year chart may be less than accurate, at least for some pre-war models :doh:.

    So...'38-'40? Or maybe even '37-'40?

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    Jason
     
  18. OddJob

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    He's one bad MF when it comes to identifying Elgin bikes!
     
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  19. Dizzle Problems

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    Dang, thanks for the info Jason and @MazdaFlyer . Do either of yours have the grease ports on the BB and head tube? I've yet to find a serial number on mine as its under a couple decades of grime.
    Man that pic makes me realllly want some cross brace bars....


    Aslo, I've noticed my frame is a lil outta wack. The rear triangle is about 3/4 of an inch off to one side. So I've got to straighten that up.
    The threads on the fork I am going to use are pretty toast and need to be rethreaded as well.
    I gathered most the parts I aim to use on this build last weekend. Mock up pics coming soon.
     
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  20. Smug234

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    Nice selection
     
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