Thanks Wildcat. Yes that does look the same. How the frame comes together at the crank.
Thanks Phil. You say post war ?Agree it looks like a Snyder-built. Post-war bottom brackets often do have the fairly raw weld seams; not sure if it was a new process back then. Seem like it would be a lot easier to stamp a flat piece and then bend it round and weld-up the seem, versus stamping an already round tube piece.
Also, in the later years, the stamping was fairly light, hard to see through any paint.
But it has pre-war style chain tensioners(?). The joints at the rear fork and stays looks strange. Usually they look like flattened round tube peened around the triangle and then brazed in-place, with a visible step. Not Emory?
I will measure the seat tube when I get home. Now I can build a Klunker without feeling guilty about keeping it original. I just need to find some chain tensioner screws.I'm on board with the Snyder...probably immediately postwar.
You should measure the seat tube...looks tall to me.
The measurement should be from the center of the BB where the crank arm would be, to the top of the bar.
Thanks Wildcat. If I find any serial number I will post pictures.Snyder made Rollfast and Hawthorne (for Dept store Montgomery Wards). I think that's it. Emory bought all their stuff around 1975 I think.
If your bike is one of those made just after the war, then they may have been producing as much as they could and skipped serial numbers just to get the bikes out faster. I would check the bb again and sand it to bare metal and see if anything appears.
Thanks Phill Fink. You guys here on Rat Rod bikes are a wealth of information. I will look again for the serial number under the seat post clamp. Thanks again everyone.Not really a straight bar - which may have different meanings, depending on which bar or which maker. For Snyder built bikes, a straight bar may refer to late 1930's streamlined or semi-streamlined bikes with a straight down tube. In 1940 and '41 Snyder began offering frames with the "S" curve down tube for M. Ward, DP Harris (Rollfast), and others.
I have seen pictures of more 1946 models now; they do have the same chain tensioner style yoke plates as in earlier years. Attached is a picture of a 1947 & '41 drop-out plates.
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The 47 picture shows the stays stamped flat only at the ends with a transition bullet shape (streamlining?) versus a more gradual taper along a longer length of the tubes (41).
Regarding frame sizes, I believe that there was essentially 1 nominal size motorbike frame per style and wheel size, for Snyder, in this period.
A shorter style was the "sport motorbike" aka. 1936 "fast back" and the middle 1950's middleweight (yoke frame) dimensions and angles may have been off a bit (fractions?). However, with different retailers, some times they would advertise different numbers, or two sets of numbers for a frame size (especially the earlier double bar drop frame models). An exception may be the one year that Snyder experimented (we say) with a different seat post clamp - which affected the length of the seat tube.
Another difference or similarity may be the seat post clamping area. Earlier Snyder motorbikes used a 5/8" seat post; later they switched to 27/32" or 0.84" with a removable stamped clamp.
Another place to look for post-war Snyder serial numbers (actual sequence #) is about 6 inches below the seat post clamp; usually a letter, followed by 6 numbers; e.g., B 023,456?