Unknown maker frame please I.D. it.

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Picked this up at Ann Arbor Swap. Liked the looks of it but only identifying mark is "T" stamped on left drop out.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Think you may be looking at an post war CWC frame. But only going by the way the bars are shaped..

And that drop-out is weird for a bike that appears to have been 75% or more brazed together. All of those smooth rounded joints are more typical of a brazed jointed prewar bike, but it would also have rear drop out verses forward.
 
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yeah but you're excluding the lower bar and cross bars bend.. maybe it's a post war Huffman.. here's a pre-war and shape looks similar:
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Checkout this roadmaster used in whizzers too:
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the roadmaster is different but the forward bars are closer to your frame.
 
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well maybe because it's naked. [grin].. but it really looks like a 46 Schwinn DX but the lower (2nd top cross bar) bar's bend is not a smooth curve. Unless somebody wacked it and made it get that angle. [grin]

I'm not up on the huffman's but, think they were' kind-a of the last survivors when electro welding got so cheap everybody made the switch. Seems Schwinn was a bit of a late comer of sorts because I think, their switch happened around 47-8 and rather than everybody else's straight welding Schwinn developed their frames to look as if they were brazed, mimicked it..

But your's, all that brazing, that ain't no mimic like Schwinn did, and wit those drop-outs ya gotta be post war 46-8 somewhere. Well, unless some 'genius' up-graded his drop outs And the frame's seat post bar too. .

Oh yeah, that rear fender bracket, that looks like a ballooner size. I bet it's near 3 inches at it's widest eh. Schwinn''s heavyweight bikes, that bracket is 3 1/8" your's not only looks, sort of, like a Schwinn bracket appears in photo to be the same width. based on just Schwinn's rear bracket sizes their later middleweights, corvette, American etc, were only 2 3/8-1/4". So, anywhere near 3" is gonna be a ballooner.

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I like the bars too. Have a few nice pairs of those. That second fork you put on looks ready for that bike. Besides all that I've been keeping my eye out for a frame of this style,( in no big hurry, it will come eventually) but I have 5 men's bikes with all close to the same lines
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like my newest, whatever it is. Good find, keep me in mind if your up for a trade.
 
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It is indeed a postwar HP Snyder built frame circa late 40s early 50s. HP Snyder is best known for supplying frames to--dun dun--Rollfast! Also could have been Wards Hawthorne.

The volcano joints at the bottom bracket are very indicative of Snyder as well as the overall geometry.
 
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It is indeed a postwar HP Snyder built frame circa late 40s early 50s. HP Snyder is best known for supplying frames to--dun dun--Rollfast! Also could have been Wards Hawthorne.

The volcano joints at the bottom bracket are very indicative of Snyder as well as the overall geometry.
Thanks! :thumbsup:I was riding my 56 Snyder built Hawthorne yesterday and looking at those BB welds.:)
Now ill have to find a ratty Hawthorne badge. Anyone know if the spacing is the same for all Snyder built headbadges of this vintage?
 
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It is indeed a postwar HP Snyder built frame circa late 40s early 50s. HP Snyder is best known for supplying frames to--dun dun--Rollfast! Also could have been Wards Hawthorne.

The volcano joints at the bottom bracket are very indicative of Snyder as well as the overall geometry.

In that case, I'm adding Snyder to my list of well built frames that me likes.

Albeit, the only thing i recall about rollfast in the 60's was nickname of 'rollworst'. Obviously this frame and any like it was good stuff :)
 
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Thanks! :thumbsup:I was riding my 56 Snyder built Hawthorne yesterday and looking at those BB welds.:)
Now ill have to find a ratty Hawthorne badge. Anyone know if the spacing is the same for all Snyder built headbadges of this vintage?

If you look closely at your headbadge ghost, it pretty clearly has the little nubs of the classic Rollfast bearing badge. If so, I'm fairly certain I have one laying around. Get me a measurement on the holes to make sure, but I'm quite confident that's what I see.

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It is indeed a postwar HP Snyder built frame circa late 40s early 50s. HP Snyder is best known for supplying frames to--dun dun--Rollfast! Also could have been Wards Hawthorne.

The volcano joints at the bottom bracket are very indicative of Snyder as well as the overall geometry.

Yep. IMO, Snyder-built frames are really nice. "Roll-Worst?" Whatever. :banana:
 
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One more question, the seat post clamp is missing. Looks like about 1" od tube - is this particular to Rollfast (Harris) frames or can I scrounge one from another (wallymart !) bike? :grin:
 
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One more question, the seat post clamp is missing. Looks like about 1" od tube - is this particular to Rollfast (Harris) frames or can I scrounge one from another (wallymart !) bike? :grin:

I think any old collar clamp will suffice just fine. The Rollfast ones weren't special as far as I know.
 
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Thanks! found one in the pile that will work. Seat post is nicely chromed and came right out with a little PB Blaster!:rockout:
 
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I just tried a 1980's vintage huffy fork in this frame but the steerer tube seems to big (no its not 1 1/8") roll fast use different bearings cups and fork than std?
 

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