Picked these up today. The scrap yard that is close to my house would never let people come in and look/buy stuff, but they decided to finally! So I swung by and this is what I found. $6.00 for both. One is really cool, but it's smaller frame I guess, about 15 inches or so from top of crank hole to top of seat post hole, has a wicked seat post too, and the seat (troxel) is actually soft and has no holes in it! The green one is about 20 inches on center post or whatever. Both have zero rust holes, and cranks & necks turn freely. I cleaned them up for these pics, they were brown. Neither has a headbadge so no clue what they are - but maybe somone can ID that changard graphic? anyways, just sharing. Cheers, T.