Schwinn Black Phantom for sale - Legit? What's it worth?
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I'd check the serial numbers first...... I haven't seen a tan black phantom ever, but I just got my first one last week (1953 check Fresh Finds).
It needs Fenders, train light, guts for the light, taillight.
Does it have a locking fork? The dull crank doesnt scare me because mine is very dull and mine was a 1 owner bike from my neighbor (she's in her 60's)
The pedals look odd to me too as well as the seat. that's just my opinion and I'm pretty sure another smarter bike person is going to tell me I'm wrong on a few of these items and I'm ok with that, I'm still learning!
It needs Fenders, train light, guts for the light, taillight.
Does it have a locking fork? The dull crank doesnt scare me because mine is very dull and mine was a 1 owner bike from my neighbor (she's in her 60's)
The pedals look odd to me too as well as the seat. that's just my opinion and I'm pretty sure another smarter bike person is going to tell me I'm wrong on a few of these items and I'm ok with that, I'm still learning!
tlaing1 said:
Phantoms only came in black, red and green. That tan looks suspicious. Pedal look okay but handlebars are moon-shaped and not the cruiser/longhorn bars. Bike might have not bee a Phantom but something else originally. The Chrome fenders and light could be costly if you wanted to add them. I would place it at mid to late 50's due to the pivot point on the fork (directly underneath instead of behind steertube)
found out it has been restored so the paint is new. Not sure why they wouldn't paint it in the same color scheme..?
The fenders and light would indeed be costly to find. They're asking $700, what price might it be worth it?
I'd only buy it to finish restoring it, then flip it so...
The fenders and light would indeed be costly to find. They're asking $700, what price might it be worth it?
I'd only buy it to finish restoring it, then flip it so...
I agree with Clancy, I paid less than that for my original, mine is ratty for the most part and I've had to get Fenders (200 for repop) tail light and lens for the train light for (60 repop). you're looking for the parts via repops at least 4-500 and thats the highest I've seen one go for in recent months ( was following on ebay for information) which was about 1250ish for original/repainted fairly restored items.
for the way it is I'd go about 250-300 because of the missing parts, having to change items and making sure it is original as it should be.
for the way it is I'd go about 250-300 because of the missing parts, having to change items and making sure it is original as it should be.
the paint is wrong, the bars are wrong, for some reason the rear rack looks wrong maybe because the fenders are missing. basicly if he is selling it as a "restored" bike it is not it is a mild custom if anything. a cool bike to ride but not going to win a restored class sorta deal.
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looks like a thrown together parts bike or a stripped down newer bike (late 1990's or newer). looks nice, but its along way from a top dollar collectors grade phantom. plus as already mentioned its not the right colors (green with black accents, red with black accents or black (black phantom) with red accents).
im pretty sure thats an aluminum stem, newer style springer fork, wheels look like they may be aluminum too even ?
nice bike though. but for a nice custom i'd want a black seat too and more speeds :mrgreen:
im pretty sure thats an aluminum stem, newer style springer fork, wheels look like they may be aluminum too even ?
nice bike though. but for a nice custom i'd want a black seat too and more speeds :mrgreen:
Basically, as a whole, that's not a Black Phantom. It's currently just another nice looking old Schwinn. I'm not even sure if it's possible to identify the serial number as originally being built as a Phantom, or something else. It's priced very high as is, because to properly bring it back to full Black Phantom status will be costly. And, whoever chose to paint it that color was on crack, and should be penalized with nothing but lowball offers, for being retarded enough to deface a Black Phantom, if that's even what it was!
I would love to have the seat from it, though!
Keep looking!
I would love to have the seat from it, though!
Keep looking!
try to get a pic of the serial #s from them as well as the badge(front shot).....i seriously doubt it stared out as a phantom(but ive been wrong about maaaaaaaaaaaaaaany things before) but those 2 things will tell if its even close....
if they did the resto the should also have pics from before and during as well......
without documentation id say just a balloon frame done up to look the part and not worth that amount(well even if it was i still wouldnt go near what theyre asking since its lost all its original value)....
if they did the resto the should also have pics from before and during as well......
without documentation id say just a balloon frame done up to look the part and not worth that amount(well even if it was i still wouldnt go near what theyre asking since its lost all its original value)....
That's a six hole rack, Phantoms had four, the seat is a Persons repop (also incorrect), and the front wheel has a high flange hub. Basically a whole lotta wrong going on there, they'd be lucky to get half what they're asking, imo. A '51 or older has the serial # on the BB, 52-8's had it on the rear dropout. -Adam
is that a craigslist ad? wouldn't be surprising....in the last 2 weeks the denver cl has had a 'black phantom' that appeared to be a repainted middleweight complete with a seatstay bridge for a rear caliper brake and a 'prewar' schwinn with forward facing dropouts (with s/n!) and a built-in kickstand!
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Parts bike. The pedals are Persons Supreme. Original Phantom pedals have a large end cap with "AS" stamped on them. Some Phantoms came with a 6 hole rack, some with a 4 hole with the stoplight. Gary
i think were all spoiled when it comes to bikes around here.
would i pay $700 for that bike? no way, no how.
That being said,thats a nice bike. (correct or not) i can visualize how that price came about.
paid too much for the original beater ($100)
threw a couple hun worth of parts/powder coat at it ($200) possibly more.
10 to 20 hours labour factored in at $10-$20 an hour ($200) more if he paid somebody else to do it.
and a $200 profit margin to bicker with/ make the build worth while.
And when the right person comes along with too much money, and absolutely no skills to do it him/herself, that bike will probably go fo $500-$600.
its strange how we here all seem to belittle our skills when it comes to restoring/revamping old bicycles.
if that were an old dinning room table ya wanted refinishing, the price tag would be in the hundreds, maybe even the thousands. and thats just for sanding and paint (stain clear coat)
the suggested price of $100, probably wouldn't cover the new parts and shipping alone. ($250-$300)
might cover parts and powdercoat.
again, now way no how would i pay that price (i'd do it myself for a fraction of the cost)
i'm just sayin'
would i pay $700 for that bike? no way, no how.
That being said,thats a nice bike. (correct or not) i can visualize how that price came about.
paid too much for the original beater ($100)
threw a couple hun worth of parts/powder coat at it ($200) possibly more.
10 to 20 hours labour factored in at $10-$20 an hour ($200) more if he paid somebody else to do it.
and a $200 profit margin to bicker with/ make the build worth while.
And when the right person comes along with too much money, and absolutely no skills to do it him/herself, that bike will probably go fo $500-$600.
its strange how we here all seem to belittle our skills when it comes to restoring/revamping old bicycles.
if that were an old dinning room table ya wanted refinishing, the price tag would be in the hundreds, maybe even the thousands. and thats just for sanding and paint (stain clear coat)
the suggested price of $100, probably wouldn't cover the new parts and shipping alone. ($250-$300)
might cover parts and powdercoat.
again, now way no how would i pay that price (i'd do it myself for a fraction of the cost)
i'm just sayin'
Just to buy the repop fenders and lights for it is going set you back $300. If it don't have the S-2"s for rims, thats another $100 or more at least. And only a collector/hobbyist is going to pay more than the financial break even point in restoring one of these. And even that can be a hard sale sometimes. But it still is a nice bike. Just not worth anywhere near $700.
Clearly not an original bike, but I'm actually really liking the color combo the guy has going on. Would I pay that asking price? Of course not, but with some black fenders that could be a sharp looking bike.
