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Jude Ephesus

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I've dated it to between 1920/1930 looking at bikes of the era, seat post stem/stem assembly are the same and lugs/fork are of similar style, I was cleaning the parts last night and the bearing race is stamped "made in England" so I would assume the whole bike is English built as I would think any self respecting Japanese or Italian/euro builder would not use English parts but who knows, this is turning into a semi resto build, I have decided to go with square taper, I think I have an old crank that looks the part and may patina the crank to match how ever the seat/stem come out after sanding, and yes Jude the parts in NZ would be most likely impossible to get, I've seen lots of vintage bikes here but never a track bike they have been all tourers or full road bikes, I want to do a neo modern build but Im pulled toward original too, decisions decisions
I was definitely thinking English looking at the BB, but I’m not great with history like @Wildcat .

anyway you go, the bike is super unique. Can’t wait to see what you do!
 

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I would consider it if it were a road bike but as its track and original paint I will give it a miss, one thing I will do at some stage is send some pictures to English based bike museums/collectors to try and narrow it down
Hey did you see the vintage TT bike LINK I posted in an earlier thread? Many many track bikes were painted in beautiful paint schemes. Some as adverts and some as pure art. These builds are our interpretations, our art. I'll be trying to rival the art in the sister muscle bike thread. They often have cool fades etc. Now I'm not proposing a repaint or coverup of any of the "finish" on your bike. But I could see a few fine scrolls pointing to or detailing the lugs and the fasteners on the seat stays and such. A bit of fine copper striping would be a classy touch. Just a thought, for when you're finished and still have a month left for the build off to conclude.
 

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Hey did you see the vintage TT bike LINK I posted in an earlier thread? Many many track bikes were painted in beautiful paint schemes. Some as adverts and some as pure art. These builds are our interpretations, our art. I'll be trying to rival the art in the sister muscle bike thread. They often have cool fades etc. Now I'm not proposing a repaint or coverup of any of the "finish" on your bike. But I could see a few fine scrolls pointing to or detailing the lugs and the fasteners on the seat stays and such. A bit of fine copper striping would be a classy touch. Just a thought, for when you're finished and still have a month left for the build off to conclude.
yer I like lug detail highlights and copper or gold would look good, if I decide to paint the seatpost and stem black I would also highlight these too, maybe a subtle scroll or filigree where the headbadge goes, we have a few custom car painters in town so I could see if they do pinstriping if not I can do some designs and print onto water transfer paper, we will see
 

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A couple closeups, you can see the slight taper in the fork steerer just above the silver line, makers mark on steerer? Nice fork crown
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found the rear wheel that was on it when my friend gave it to me, araya 27 inch rim laced to a very nice suntour supurbe pro track hub, my friend dropped off a hi flange hubbed front wheel but not same brands but amazingly has the same curved center ridged style rim as the araya so nice to be matching ish but the rear must have stainless spokes as shiny as for how old they are but the front spokes are mottled gray with time
 
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that shallow drop bar is sweet, and they are all the rage now.
Agreed, those vintage shallow drops are the bees knees.

I've always liked shallow and narrow drops for riding fixed gear. The Schwinn drops from the 1960's are a favorite, enough so to end up on this conversion.
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Agreed, those vintage shallow drops are the bees knees.

I've always liked shallow and narrow drops for riding fixed gear. The Schwinn drops from the 1960's are a favorite, enough so to end up on this conversion.
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Beautiful old Schwinn Paramount. I bought a 1971 racing Paramount brand new with serial #7153 and used it for years. It was a 26" frame with Reynolds 531 double butted tubing. It came equipped with sew ups which I later changed to 700c. That bike rode wonderfully but would oscillate in sharp high speed turns. Sold it later on and have always regretted it.
 

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Do they call those shallow drop bars "pistas?" Such a cool start, and rare!
I believe so, they are more curved downward on the top, and also not that I am a weight watcher at all but the frame by itself is just about 1.25kg/1.5kg if my scale is correct
 

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Satin or glossy? You probably don't want them shinier than the frame since they're not chrome. Linseed leaves them wet look and takes a good while to dry. So probably not. Your eyes will see it everyday but I'm thinking satin rattle can.
 

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Satin or glossy? You probably don't want them shinier than the frame since they're not chrome. Linseed leaves them wet look and takes a good while to dry. So probably not. Your eyes will see it everyday but I'm thinking satin rattle can.
Won't go with glossy, I have a can of high quality matte laq that I've used on metal before and after a few coats ends up really hard and sticks well
 
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That’s looking great… it reminded me of an old bike I had back in 2009 when I was still in Christchurch. It was a Bell and this is the only photo I have of it…


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However, the only bit that’s the same really is the stem. The frame looks similar at first glance but the dropouts are different as are the lugs.

It had a flip flop hub and an old speedo but was missing the chainring.

Perhaps yours could be an older Bell?

Glen.
 

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Love this bike and it's coming along really nicely. I love the clean up while maintaining patina and originality. The saddle is perfect for this bike. Not sure how ride-able it would be but the look is terrific!
 

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That’s looking great… it reminded me of an old bike I had back in 2009 when I was still in Christchurch. It was a Bell and this is the only photo I have of it…


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However, the only bit that’s the same really is the stem. The frame looks similar at first glance but the dropouts are different as are the lugs.

It had a flip flop hub and an old speedo but was missing the chainring.

Perhaps yours could be an older Bell?

Glen.
That's a cool bike with vintage character,could be made by same outfit yours would be the road/tourer version and mine the track version
 

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Going to get some autosol or similar alloy polish to polish up the rims, rear needs a spoke and a play around with the axle/drop out area as the dropouts have a slot that looks like it's ment to have some sort of sliding tensioners and front needs a tyre or may get both new tyres
 

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