They say live and learn, I sold a bike on the bay that I was hoping would have done a little better, but it didn't but I answered a question about shipping to Japan, I figure if he wants to pay the shipping why not, So I use the little ebay shipping calculator (big mistake) and I figured forty pounds weight wise and guessed about the sizes of a bike box. I wasn't off that much , the weight was 3 pounds more than I guessed and the box ( had to buy, since nobody local had a bike box :x ) was 7 inches taller and 5 longer......$ 50 dollar difference, ouch and I had to fill out the customs form (no not that kind) the out of country type. So from now on Its going to start at $200 to ship a bike out of the country anymore, at least for me. :wink: