i know its not a collector piece,there reall havent beenany "collector"bikes in the normalbike world,i didnt ask if it was a collector bike i bought to flip in the spring,if it doesnt flip ill use the partsfor a builder,ppl who under value the parts that are on a bike remind me of the wannabes at swap meets that offer insulring offers,had a guy offer me $ 50 on a beer bike i had on the face for $150,i told him to go to the store and buy somthing for that price and take it to the cashier and offer $50 for the stuff,if ir worked he could have my bike for $50,i appriciate ppl who give kudos on a good deal someone finds,i guess there are ppl who dont have much entusiasim or reality