Got an unknown frame off EBay last week died some internet looking and some comparisons on the welded frame to my known Manton & Smith welds,seat & chain stay bends were identical the web search turned up a link to Western Tire & Auto Stores Silver Shield brand.....wait a minute I have one of those a 41 I believe and it's frame is a perfect match to the one I just go...thought I had 1 really had 2 and now the new one makes 3 ! Weird !