Well I visited a local "cycle recycle" place, non profit, They help kids and the community get on a bike cheap. They had these, glad I brought the bike rack. Shoved one in the back of the jeep and had the rack full comin home in 24 degree weather after dark, im sure people wondered Also a shot of a '80 Schwinn I picked for a hundred bucks that came with a $500 or so antique tricycle!!! BAM! Tricycle paid for all the bikes!