making new paint look "old"

[basman33]

Hi all, I'm currently working on a complete custom project based on the 1910-1920 board track style racers. I sprayed the frame in a matt ochre yellow. I didn't smooth the frame to much because I want the bike to look like it's been made ages ago
Now my question..... Is there a easy way to make the paint look even older? Maybe some greasing? Please help before I start destroying it

This is the frame:

Thanks in advance!

basman33

 

[Clothespin n]

Oh Boy...here we go..... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Now I'm giving ALL my Tricks away. :lol:

To a Custom Builder ......of all People :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Basman,
here's what you can do..

(1) Get an Old Lantern..The Kerosine Kind.
Get the Lantern Light and good and Hot.
When the Paint is still Wet / Tacky, you can Turn the Lantern
Down so that it is actually Set wrong and it Smokes a Lot!!!!

Woft the Lantern Smoke around the Bike Frame
( this procedure I usually do on a Ceiling of an Old Home
to make it look Smoked and yellowed...giving it the appearance of age )

Try it a Few times to get different levels of Smoking / aging.
It's tricky because you can't TOUCH it after it's Smoked.

Then when it's Dry Clear Coat it all in with a GOOD Mat / Satin Clear.

(2) you can take some Oil Based whiping Stain and Thin it out with the Proper Solvent required to Reduce that Product ( it will say on the can...
probably Paint Thinner ) and Rub it on the Frame to make it look
thin and weathered.

(3) usually the Best and easiest....a Tea bag!
yes...that's right a Tea Bag.

Boil a Few bags of Black Tea good and Hot in a Pot on the Stove..
Give one to your Girlfriend.... :lol:
THEN...let the Tea stay in the Pot until it becomes Cold on it's own at Room Temp. VERY IMPORTANT!
Take a Tea Bag and squeeze a Little Bit out( Just a little )
and then Rub the Frame and slide the Tea Bag around on it.
The Tea Bag Trick is how I make a Piece of Paper
look like it's Old and Yellowed.

The True Trick to a good Tromploy...or Faux Finish is
The Application of The Third Color or the third
procedure.
The Third Procedure is what Brings the surface to LIFE!
2 Coats will usually never give the desired look.

Remember this......you have to think like Time.
What would Time / weather / product failure / wear / stress
do to The Surface.
What areas of The Surface will get Natural Wearing over time..
Like the Top Tube of the Bike...
it will wear Naturally over time from behind Brushed over with the
Body as we Ride the Bike.

all Joints / Dropouts / Behind Cranks / back of headset will NOT wear as fast,
so you would leave them so they are NOT looking worn out.

To get a great Third Color on The Frame you are doing you can,
Paint a Base coat in a Darker Color than your Top Coat will be.
then apply your Top Coat and sand it a Bit ( IN THE AREAS THAT WILL NATURALLY WEAR OUT )..

Our Brains will Naturally associate Red Oxide Primer as a Primer..
so Prime it with The Red Oxide and Top coat..
Then Sand so The Red Oxide Shows through in Worn Natural Areas...

Faux Finish in English means "False Finish"
Tromploy in English means "To Trick The Eye"
then top caot with a Tea Bag...in the areas more that won't get worn...
and a bit in the areas that do get worn out naturally.

Then seal it all in with a GOOD Satin / Flat Clear coat to protect all your hard work.

Amber Shelac is a Great Top Coat.
It is a Yellowed Clear coat with an Amber tone to it....
It Looks Great when it used as a Top coat because it's naturally Amber / Yellow when used...

here's a Link to Some Forks I did...
Click here to see how I Antiqued / Aged my Forks

and good Luck Bro,
I am Still Learning and I have been doing it as a Pro for 18 Years.

peace,
Kev.

 

[basman33]

Thank you for all your secrets
I think I will try it with the tea....... think that is the one for me!
I did read that post about the forks you did yesterday and damn what a job! You didn't trick us right? It's not like you switched the before and after pictures? LOL
Thanks again and I will post some pictures as soon as I have a result I like.

 

[Clothespin n]

Thank you for all your secrets
I think I will try it with the tea....... think that is the one for me!
I did read that post about the forks you did yesterday and dang what a job! You didn't trick us right? It's not like you switched the before and after pictures? LOL
Thanks again and I will post some pictures as soon as I have a result I like.

cool..Glad I could Help.

Remember the Third and subsequent coats / application...
( Like that Red Oxide Primer on The Bottom )

those are Key to achieving the Great Look..
and that Amber Shelac is an Awesome Top coat for a Yellowed
/ aged finish look..

You Build some of The Nicest Customs in The World Basman,
I'm "all to happy" to Help,


keep us Posted..
Peace,
Kev.

 

[new_dharma]

(1) Get an Old Lantern..The Kerosine Kind.
Get the Lantern Light and good and Hot.
When the Paint is still Wet / Tacky, you can Turn the Lantern
Down so that it is actually Set wrong and it Smokes a Lot!!!!

Woft the Lantern Smoke around the Bike Frame
( this procedure I usually do on a Ceiling of an Old Home
to make it look Smoked and yellowed...giving it the appearance of age )

Try it a Few times to get different levels of Smoking / aging.
It's tricky because you can't TOUCH it after it's Smoked.

Then when it's Dry Clear Coat it all in with a GOOD Mat / Satin Clear.

(2) you can take some Oil Based whiping Stain and Thin it out with the Proper Solvent required to Reduce that Product ( it will say on the can...
probably Paint Thinner ) and Rub it on the Frame to make it look
thin and weathered.

(3) usually the Best and easiest....a Tea bag!
yes...that's right a Tea Bag.

Boil a Few bags of Black Tea good and Hot in a Pot on the Stove..
Give one to your Girlfriend.... :lol:
THEN...let the Tea stay in the Pot until it becomes Cold on it's own at Room Temp. VERY IMPORTANT!
Take a Tea Bag and squeeze a Little Bit out( Just a little )
and then Rub the Frame and slide the Tea Bag around on it.
The Tea Bag Trick is how I make a Piece of Paper
look like it's Old and Yellowed.

The True Trick to a good Tromploy...or Faux Finish is
The Application of The Third Color or the third
procedure.
The Third Procedure is what Brings the surface to LIFE!
2 Coats will usually never give the desired look.

Remember this......you have to think like Time.
What would Time / weather / product failure / wear / stress
do to The Surface.
What areas of The Surface will get Natural Wearing over time..
Like the Top Tube of the Bike...
it will wear Naturally over time from behind Brushed over with the
Body as we Ride the Bike.

all Joints / Dropouts / Behind Cranks / back of headset will NOT wear as fast,
so you would leave them so they are NOT looking worn out.

To get a great Third Color on The Frame you are doing you can,
Paint a Base coat in a Darker Color than your Top Coat will be.
then apply your Top Coat and sand it a Bit ( IN THE AREAS THAT WILL NATURALLY WEAR OUT )..

Our Brains will Naturally associate Red Oxide Primer as a Primer..
so Prime it with The Red Oxide and Top coat..
Then Sand so The Red Oxide Shows through in Worn Natural Areas...

Faux Finish in English means "False Finish"
Tromploy in English means "To Trick The Eye"
then top caot with a Tea Bag...in the areas more that won't get worn...
and a bit in the areas that do get worn out naturally.

Then seal it all in with a GOOD Satin / Flat Clear coat to protect all your hard work.

Amber Shelac is a Great Top Coat.
It is a Yellowed Clear coat with an Amber tone to it....
It Looks Great when it used as a Top coat because it's naturally Amber / Yellow when used...

here's a Link to Some Forks I did...
Click here to see how I Antiqued / Aged my Forks

and good Luck Bro,
I am Still Learning and I have been doing it as a Pro for 18 Years.

peace,
Kev.

it's one of the three, right?
:?

 

[Manny Moons]

Thanks for the tip, Clothespin "n"


Thats one sweet looking frame you've made yourself! Cant wait to see it complete! Keep us posted.

 

[Clothespin n]

Just trying to help N.D.

I get just as Boggled when I am doing it! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[new_dharma]

(1) Get an Old Lantern..The Kerosine Kind.
Get the Lantern Light and good and Hot.
When the Paint is still Wet / Tacky, you can Turn the Lantern
Down so that it is actually Set wrong and it Smokes a Lot!!!!

Woft the Lantern Smoke around the Bike Frame
( this procedure I usually do on a Ceiling of an Old Home
to make it look Smoked and yellowed...giving it the appearance of age )

Try it a Few times to get different levels of Smoking / aging.
It's tricky because you can't TOUCH it after it's Smoked.

Then when it's Dry Clear Coat it all in with a GOOD Mat / Satin Clear.

(2) you can take some Oil Based whiping Stain and Thin it out with the Proper Solvent required to Reduce that Product ( it will say on the can...
probably Paint Thinner ) and Rub it on the Frame to make it look
thin and weathered.

(3) usually the Best and easiest....a Tea bag!
yes...that's right a Tea Bag.

Boil a Few bags of Black Tea good and Hot in a Pot on the Stove..
Give one to your Girlfriend.... :lol:
THEN...let the Tea stay in the Pot until it becomes Cold on it's own at Room Temp. VERY IMPORTANT!
Take a Tea Bag and squeeze a Little Bit out( Just a little )
and then Rub the Frame and slide the Tea Bag around on it.
The Tea Bag Trick is how I make a Piece of Paper
look like it's Old and Yellowed.

The True Trick to a good Tromploy...or Faux Finish is
The Application of The Third Color or the third
procedure.
The Third Procedure is what Brings the surface to LIFE!
2 Coats will usually never give the desired look.

Remember this......you have to think like Time.
What would Time / weather / product failure / wear / stress
do to The Surface.
What areas of The Surface will get Natural Wearing over time..
Like the Top Tube of the Bike...
it will wear Naturally over time from behind Brushed over with the
Body as we Ride the Bike.

all Joints / Dropouts / Behind Cranks / back of headset will NOT wear as fast,
so you would leave them so they are NOT looking worn out.

To get a great Third Color on The Frame you are doing you can,
Paint a Base coat in a Darker Color than your Top Coat will be.
then apply your Top Coat and sand it a Bit ( IN THE AREAS THAT WILL NATURALLY WEAR OUT )..

Our Brains will Naturally associate Red Oxide Primer as a Primer..
so Prime it with The Red Oxide and Top coat..
Then Sand so The Red Oxide Shows through in Worn Natural Areas...

Faux Finish in English means "False Finish"
Tromploy in English means "To Trick The Eye"
then top caot with a Tea Bag...in the areas more that won't get worn...
and a bit in the areas that do get worn out naturally.

Then seal it all in with a GOOD Satin / Flat Clear coat to protect all your hard work.

Amber Shelac is a Great Top Coat.
It is a Yellowed Clear coat with an Amber tone to it....
It Looks Great when it used as a Top coat because it's naturally Amber / Yellow when used...

here's a Link to Some Forks I did...
Click here to see how I Antiqued / Aged my Forks

and good Luck Bro,
I am Still Learning and I have been doing it as a Pro for 18 Years.

peace,
Kev.

it's one of the three, right?
:?

sorry to quote myself...
but a person would use one of the three...not all three, correct?

 

[ratdaddy]

hey Kev,
I was trying to figure where I heard the term tromploy. I finally figured it out, it's the french term "Trompe o'leil" which as you correctlly stated means to trick the eye. If anyone was wanting to google how to do that type of finish, I thought the correct spelling might help. I never knew how to say it, but I kinda knew how to spell it. and I can do an amateur version of the finish.

Kev, you da man! Thanks for sharing your secrets with us.

jeff

 

[new_dharma]

hey Kev,
I was trying to figure where I heard the term tromploy. I finally figured it out, it's the french term "Trompe o'leil" which as you correctlly stated means to trick the eye. If anyone was wanting to google how to do that type of finish, I thought the correct spelling might help. I never knew how to say it, but I kinda knew how to spell it. and I can do an amateur version of the finish.

Kev, you da man! Thanks for sharing your secrets with us.

jeff

+1...no +10 on that!
my GF uses 'found objects' in her art and being able to make a 'false' finish is great!

Thanks!

 

[Clothespin n]

sorry to quote myself...
but a person would use one of the three...not all three, correct?

Yaa...just one...

and as Stated before.....I wish this site had Spell Check, :roll: :roll:
both English, and French for my East Coast brothers.

Thanks for the Spell check on That one,
and Thanks for all the good Words,

I'm happy to share what I know.....as I am Learning every Day myself.
That's what it's all about Baby!

peace,
Kev.

 

[RatFink]

Niiiiiiiiiice

Nice shape to that frame...

Ya know the easiest way and most authentic would be to paint 'er up and just set it out in the desert for 7-10 years would do it, if your like in no rush, I guess, would be key in this method :wink:

 

[basman33]

Thanks guys for the kind words!

Started painting last weekend and also this morning.... Never realized that making an "old" paint job is harder than a clean smooth paint job. It is hard to balance everything. I put on the primer a little thicker and just before it was dry I "scratched" it with steel-wool. The hard thing is not to do it to much and also not to little .
Because you can end up with "just a bad paint" or "too much".
Next step will be making wear spots and adding dark edges. I hope everything will be ready this weekend because the weekend after that I am entering the COTY at the Choppernation in Amsterdam.

I will post pictures when I am done......

 

[new_dharma]

Re: Niiiiiiiiiice

Nice shape to that frame...

Ya know the easiest way and most authentic would be to paint 'er up and just set it out in the desert for 7-10 years would do it, if your like in no rush, I guess, would be key in this method :wink:

instead of the desert, just send it this way...after a few Minnesota winters (and all the salt we dump on the roads) it'll look good-as-old! (I'll also store the bike/frame outside...mounted to the roof-rack of my car!)

 

[ricksterr1221]

Thanks kev!! The lantern thing is awesome!!!!!