Thanks endless, I've got an old ten speed with a neck, I'll see how it fits, I was thinking it would hit the spring. I bought a layback seatpost for this build, but it was too big, otherwise it'd be on there. Maybey I can find one. I also have some 20" apes on the way, but I don't know if I'm going to like them, it seems like apes, along with the springer just give it that low rider look. I like the idea of red stripes to break up the black and white, I just don't have the talent to do it myself and there aren't any pinstripers in this area that I know of. Great minds think alike huh? :shock: