Possible 1937 Hawthorne

[HerrOtto]

Hello, can anyone tell me what year this Hawthorne(I believe) bike is, and if there are any catalog pictures of it, and if you have any other information about the bike?
Any help is appreciated.
Thank you

 

[Pondo]

I don't have any good guesses on year but that's a cool bike!

 

[MattiThundrrr]

Nice bike! I like the gills on the tank. @Wildcat usually has an answer to riddles like this.

 

[Wildcat]

"F" is 1919, 1937, or 1950. Your bike looks to be a 1937 going by all the features it has. Made in Michigan City, Indiana by Snyder. If it is a Hawthorne, that chain guard was used on 30's Hawthornes. Here's a 34 Hawthorne:

That bike would be a contender in the step thru build off coming up. It's all there and has some great looking parts.

 

[Wildcat]

I also found some info on Musselman hubs:

Musselman Hubs​

Musselman hubs are dated on the edge of the shell with a letter and a symbol. The letter represents the year and the symbol represents the quarter of the year. These hubs were probably made until at least the mid ‘50s. Musselman hubs can be found with a variety of brake arms on them. The standard Model M has the arm shown but they can have Airman, Elgin, J.C. Higgins, Western Flyer, or possibly others.
A-1935 B-1936 C-1937 D-1938 E-1939 F-1940 G-1941 H-1942 I-1943 J-1944 K-1945 L-1946 M-1947 N-1948
O-1949 P-1950 Q-1951 R-1952 S-1953
1st Quarter (Jan-Mar)-Circle
2nd Quarter (Apr-Jun)-Diamond
3rd Quarter (Jul-Sep)-Square
4th Quarter (Oct-Dec)-Triangle

 

[HerrOtto]

Thank you for the replies and information. I will take a look at the Musselman hub tomorrow, though it is pretty rusty.
This is my first real old bike and a rusty one at that. I would like to bring back as much of the remaining paint as possible , and was thinking of doing my first time, Oxalic acid bath, but because of the red paint, I have read not to do it, as the remaining paint will turn pink. My other options were Evaporust , CLR or vinegar. I contacted both Evaporust and CLR and they stated not to use their products on painted surfaces , especially red paint. I have successfully used straight vinegar on rusty chrome, but never on a painted surface. I realize the bike is pretty far gone, but I'd like to clean it up a bit. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you

 

[Wildcat]

The pic didn't come through, this is where the date will be:

 

[HerrOtto]

Wildcat, thanks for the information. If this is the area you are referring to, it is pretty far gone, and I see no letters. I think I will have to be satisfied using the Serial number and the components, making it a 1937. Thank you

 

[Wildcat]

Can you post some pics of that hub from the sides to get a full look at the area where the number would be? The metal was stamped so I think something will show if I enhance the image.

The seat and pedals don't show signs of much wear, so the hubs and everything may be in good shape. Women and girls always treated their bikes well while the boys used ramps and jumped curbs for fun. Just a clean and lube might be all it needs to be a decent rider. Is the horn electric or a push button? There may be batteries in the tank if it's electric. Old D cell batteries have a date code on them.

I don't know a lot about removing rust and saving the original paint, usually these old bikes are too far gone. A lot of info on the internet is bogus with people sounding like experts but have no idea. I would trust advice given here for the most part or go to the CABE website about restoring the original finish.

 

[HerrOtto]

Wildcat, I will post more pictures of the hub tomorrow. Do you want only the brake arm side of the hub? Not sure if you noticed that the stem has been repaired, it almost looks like JB weld.(I hope not) . Unfortunately the original owners painted the rims while still on the bike with the tires also on. The horn is electric with a push button. There were no batteries in there, but I did get the horn to work.
I am also a member on the CABE and I am asking about removing rust and preserving the paint.