Prewar Elgin info?

[Terry66]

So, I got this bike today and am looking for some info. I posted it in Fresh Finds......Its a really cool rider. Seems Murray made a lot of the Elgin bikes, but I have my doubts on this one. Mainly because the way the frame is made and I do not recall seeing this sprocket before. Its possible that it was swapped out, but thought I would see what you guys think. I am pretty sure the light, seat, grips aren't original, but not sure about the rest. The serial number is a mess like many of the Elgin/Higgins, but this is what it looks like.

22739
MUS-J (Maybe MOS-J)
MOD-502-213

 

[meatwad1]

It's murray built. The seatpost lugging is unusual. I would guess that it would be the earliest of the post wars.

 

[rms37]

This bike was made for Sears by Murray and the serial number corresponds to 1945. Murray completely re-designed and re-engineered their standard frames in 1943 using this unique seat cluster design. The frame was again re-engineered for more cost effective high volume manufacturing shortly after your frame was produced and the lugged seat cluster was discarded in favor of the more common annular ring cluster that responded better to the mechanical electro-forging of the seat stays to the juncture.

The bicycle is badged as an Elgin because the J.C. Higgins branding was not introduced on Sears Bicycles until early 1947.

I have already recorded your bike in my data base with earlier pictures sent to me by another collector. At that time is was substantially the same but had a different seat which was probably original. The basic bike is all correct and original including the chain ring which is a pattern used by Murray during and immediately following the war. I can’t speak to the grips or light for originality as there is no known (to me at least) original picture of one of these bikes and they were not sold or pictured in the standard Sears Consumer catalogs.

I have recorded a couple more of these early bikes, one being a house branded Murray Mercury. By serial number yours is the second oldest I have found to date and is by far the best in condition and originality. As the earliest of postwar models they did not come with a tank or any deluxe accessories but they are (again, at this point in time) rather rare in the hobby and quite significant in the timeline/history of both Murray and Sears.

 

[Terry66]

Thanks for the info. In my limited Murray/Higgins/Sears knowledge, the frame/sprocket looked a little odd to me. I assumed it was original and thanks for the confirmation. I figured maybe another manufacturer was used around this time. The guy I bought the bike offered some information on the bike and was a super guy to talk bikes with. To be honest, this is why I collect and mess around with old bikes. I just like the history. I like to learn about the industry, why things happened at certain times. I like to find the "story" behind the bikes I have.

 

[KJV]

very nice,man.

 

[Terry66]

Thanks again guys....You know, I like this bike alot. It is really a fun cool bike in great condition....but I am not sure if I am hanging on to this one. :?

 

[enlan]

I have an Elgin bike similar to yours. Below the bottom bracket is stamped: 28218, mus-j, mod-502 213. Mine came as a frame, fork, rear fender and rear wheel. The wheel has a black out hub and the brake arm is stamped Morrow. Do you have any pictures of your bike?
Thanks

 

[hammer mechanic]

MOS-J corresponds to 1945. There will
also be a date code on the Morrow hub.
You can Google up some images