Trying to figure out what frame this is?

[Simple.]

I have never come across one like this. Double top tube, double down tube.

 

[nosferatu1381]

Probably 39 Monark superframe

 

[nosferatu1381]

Look up Hawthorne or Monark superframe five bar

 

[nosferatu1381]

http://www.nostalgic.net/1939-monark-superframe-5-bar

 

[Simple.]

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http://www.nostalgic.net/1939-monark-superframe-5-bar

Wow very cool! Thank you for the info and the fast response. It’s a pretty unique style. Looks like I’ve got quite a bit of reading to do!

Jon

 

[nosferatu1381]

Yeah you don't see those ever

 

[nosferatu1381]

I have seen a few of those squirrelly pencil springers pop up on eBay though

 

[nosferatu1381]

This is probably the H.P. Snyder built version of the 5-Bar Hawthorne and it is not Monark built. All of the Monark built versions had the cradled crank hanger.

I forgot about that. Still a really collectible frame. Just easier to find the right fork for it

 

[Simple.]

Ah good eye! I will take a closer look when I get back to the shop. I wouldn’t mind finding the correct springer to go on it. Who knows, I may eBay it but finding a fork might be more fun

jon

This is probably the H.P. Snyder built version of the 5-Bar Hawthorne and it is not Monark built. All of the Monark built versions had the cradled crank hanger.
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I forgot about that. Still a really collectible frame. Just easier to find the right fork for it

 

[nosferatu1381]

yeah i looked again CWC made one too but yours is the Snyder

 

[kingfish254]

That isn't a 5 bar Super Frame. Those have straight mid tube. Yours has the curved mid tube. That is the frame that is mixed up with the Super Frames a lot. It's the same frame (but different maker since the BB in integrated) that I used for my starsNbars build. AWESOME frames. They'll take a wide tire and wheel too.

 

[kingfish254]

Here is the CABE thread that covers this frame.

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/monark-built-tankless-5bar-thread-hawthorne-twin.54711/

 

[kingfish254]

 

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[RustyGold]

There is a non-Monark five bar thread on the Cabe as well, for Snyder and CWC versions.

 

[Simple.]

Awesome. Man I keep over looking the fine details that differentiate the frames. Thanks a bunch. I will check out that thread!

jon

 

[nosferatu1381]

That isn't a 5 bar Super Frame. Those have straight mid tube. Yours has the curved mid tube. That is the frame that is mixed up with the Super Frames a lot. It's the same frame (but different maker since the BB in integrated) that I used for my starsNbars build. AWESOME frames. They'll take a wide tire and wheel too.


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it's the Snyder, I mentioned the cradled bottom bracket on the Monarks and could have mentioned the CWC rear triangle differentiation. Thanks for backing me up bro

 

[nosferatu1381]

!.Monark built: cradled bottom bracket always
2. CWC built: curved chainstays always
3. Snyder built: lacks the characteristics of !. and 2. yet has five bars

I just wanted to make that "crystal clear" for posterity. i had not finished my coffee nor had i put on my glasses yet when I looked at the photo

 

[RustyGold]

2. CWC built: downtubes curve just before the bottom bracket.
3. Snyder built: straight downtubes all the way to the bottom bracket.