They were purchased from a man Louisiana, just like me he never had a shop or even repaired bicycles, he just liked bicycles. He had them in a storage in Louisiana and Texas, he also had some stored in two garages at his house. He still has 5 or 6 bikes that he kept to ride. I don't know when to say enough, I work in different States and have to be back to work on the 2nd, I cant even clean the bikes, just picking up and putting away until I get to come home in May.