I'm mad as *%@*

[xddorox]

not to take away from the seriousness of this but I read it was a roasted duck with a dolls head on it...Really

I know that the jury is still out on that one, but the depiction of it is still very wrong in my book.

 

[Markm]

I agree...

 

[icyuod2]

i'm a sick puppy, corupted at a young age.

fetus have been shock art for years. case in point, one of my fav. old school punk bands (sooo politically uncorrect)

dayglow abortions, first album fetus america. shock value x100 (this is late eighties shock art.)

the abortion on a plate actually hits very close to home with me. back in grade 11, i got expelled from school for painting a baby crucified on a cross. the head of the art department (my teacher) hung it in the hall. it caused all sorts of problems for me.

my teacher really went to bat for me and i still spent a week out of school and a couple few weeks with a shrink (to get back into school) now ya might think me sick, but then ya might have taken it out of context. the project at hand was an anti abortion project, or shock art.

i'm not sick, just very pro life! somebody complained. i got exspelled.

a letter to his supervisor is probably a good course of action, i'd also send one to him to let him know your disproval.

glad to hear ya thunk it through, who knows he might be a good teacher with a momentary lapse of reason.

 

[B607]

Tell the school you want your daughter transferred out of his class or you will hit them with a MEDIA BLITZ like they have never seen. If I were an administrator at that school, I'd much rather transfer one student quietly out of a class than have to deal with the media dragging the whole school through the mud. Gary

 

[xddorox]

Tell the school you want your daughter transferred out of his class or you will hit them with a MEDIA BLITZ like they have never seen. If I were an administrator at that school, I'd much rather transfer one student quietly out of a class than have to deal with the media dragging the whole school through the mud. Gary

That is an option I am considering in the ammo box. The media just goes nuts for this kind of stuff.

 

[Lonewolf]

I've seen the pictures to which you are referring and "hideous" doesn't even begin to cover it.

I can think of no reason they should be shown to students under any circumstances, in any class, for any reason.

I would threaten a lawsuit if he doesn't provide a written apology to the students and parents and provide pictures to the parents of what he showed their kids. He should provide to you a list of the students and parents home addresses and the certified mailing receipts.

Bet he thinks twice after that.

That's the problem with Socialism. Cheap college so they think they own you.

 

[hotfoot]

I really don't see the problem here.

At my college, once a year the Catholic Anti-Abortion club holds a rally in the square in the middle of campus, there main line of attack is giant, yes HUGE, posters of aborted fetuses and fetus parts. They've got a friggin' semi to carry their stuff with an aborted fetus on the side of it. I don't like it, and I don't agree with how they are presenting themselves and I think they would be much more effective arguing their point another way.

So to sum it up, aborted fetus photos seem to be pretty common on college campuses nowadays.

 

[Rustinkerer]

case in point, one of my fav. old school punk bands (sooo politically uncorrect)

dayglow abortions, first album fetus america. shock value x100

Icy, I have that on vinyl, but even back then I decided I never needed to see that image again.. X-acto'd that bit and peeled it off. Bleah! Great album though! In relation to college though, not cool. That prof's a butt!

 

[icyuod2]

I really don't see the problem here.
So to sum it up, aborted fetus photos seem to be pretty common on college campuses nowadays.

i have to agree. i saw way worse at college than a fake abortion on a plate.
bad art is the least of your worries.if ya wanna pick a fight, theres much worthier causes at college.


and lets not forget, as mad as you are... if showing the picture in class makes just 1 person rethink abortion, then the good it will have done far out weighs any damage it could possibly cause.

 

[B607]

if showing the picture in class makes just 1 person rethink abortion, then the good it will have done far out weighs any damage it could possibly cause.

So should everyone that eats meat be dragged into a locker plant to see a cow being killed, bled out, and gutted on a hook? Wouldn't that slow down meat consumption?

These kids were a captive audience. This kind of thing should be done on a volunteer basis, not a forced one. I don't know about Canada, but in my little rural town, this guy would be toast. Gary

 

[icyuod2]

if showing the picture in class makes just 1 person rethink abortion, then the good it will have done far out weighs any damage it could possibly cause.

So should everyone that eats meat be dragged into a locker plant to see a cow being killed, bled out, and gutted on a hook? Wouldn't that slow down meat consumption?

These kids were a captive audience. This kind of thing should be done on a volunteer basis, not a forced one. I don't know about Canada, but in my little rural town, this guy would be toast. Gary

now nobodies being dragged into an abortion clinic, so your slaughter house comparison is a little extreme.

we learned all about slaughter houses in public school, and i'm sure it had something to do with our hippy vegetarian 4th grade teacher, but that wasn't the only public school class that touched base on human consuption and mass animal farming and the results.

high school, ya see all sorts of pic's of sexually transmitted dieseases and yes abortion in health class.
all captive audiances, and part of the cariculum.

scare tactic's i'm sure.

by the time most of us reach college, we've watched hundreds of decapitations on the silver screen, seen countless people burst into flames without batting an eyelash. murders and rapists have become entertainment.
when we watch these sort of things for fun, i don't see why this special effect is any worse than the rest.
watching the loss of human life for the purposes of entertainment, seems a little more sick/twisted than what the teach. where do ya draw the line?

 

[Lonewolf]

Let's say you are correct. What does this have to do with the French language?

 

[icyuod2]

discussion. done in french. usually current events (which i imagen is the reason it was shown)
like most of the discussions in canadian french classes, it has nothing to do with french, other than speaking the french launguage.

i'd be willing to bet money it was already a topic of debate at the school.
it was probably being circulated via emails when teach caught wind of it.
i'd also be willing to bet a good portion of the class had already seen the picture.

 

[xddorox]

discussion. done in french. usually current events (which i imagen is the reason it was shown)
like most of the discussions in canadian french classes, it has nothing to do with french, other than speaking the french launguage.

i'd be willing to bet money it was already a topic of debate at the school.
it was probably being circulated via emails when teach caught wind of it.
i'd also be willing to bet a good portion of the class had already seen the picture.

As far as speaking French in class, that is not really a necessity, French is our Mother tongue and we speak it every day. Learning to write it properly, now that is the teacher's job. At 44, I still have problems writing my French correctly and the kids coming out of college are terrible at it. I think we now know why.

You'd lose your money icy, it was emailed months ago and never really came out in a big public debate. Although that might change. I'm suppose to get a call tomorrow about this from the teacher's supervisor. I'd post the email I sent the school, but it's all in French.

Gerry

 

[Smokey]

If after looking into Canadian Law you can't find that he did anything wrong then go old school. Fling some poo on him and call it performance art.

 

[Fireproof]

Wow Gerry! I hope your daughter will get her $500 worth education from her other classes, however if that French instructor’s lesson is any indication of the curriculum offered at the college, She’s getting ripped off! It’s abhorrent what has become socially acceptable, and unfortunately, secular colleges are very effective in their efforts to make young minds become worldly. Here in the good ol’ U.S.of A., we have freedom of speech afforded by our Bill of Rights, but I’m sure our founding fathers would vomit if they were here to witness court decisions regarding first amendment issues. “Hey, _____(he-she-they) are ___________(doing-saying-showing-smoking, or whatever), so I should be able to also! I have my rights!”. As you illustrate here, it’s just getting worse!

 

[Lonewolf]

If after looking into Canadian Law you can't find that he did anything wrong then go old school. Fling some poo on him and call it performance art.

I dig it.

 

[icyuod2]

discussion. done in french. usually current events (which i imagen is the reason it was shown)
like most of the discussions in canadian french classes, it has nothing to do with french, other than speaking the french launguage.

i'd be willing to bet money it was already a topic of debate at the school.
it was probably being circulated via emails when teach caught wind of it.
i'd also be willing to bet a good portion of the class had already seen the picture.

As far as speaking French in class, that is not really a necessity, French is our Mother tongue and we speak it every day. Learning to write it properly, now that is the teacher's job. At 44, I still have problems writing my French correctly and the kids coming out of college are terrible at it. I think we now know why.

You'd lose your money icy, it was emailed months ago and never really came out in a big public debate. Although that might change. I'm suppose to get a call tomorrow about this from the teacher's supervisor. I'd post the email I sent the school, but it's all in French.

Gerry

uggh, i don't like loosing money.

i don't like loosing freedoms do to the ever looming fear of being sued.
things are getting outta hand and i'm affraid by the time i have children of my own, they won't leagally be able to leave the house. we just gotta pick our battles carefully, thats all i'm saying.

sometimes we dont give thought to how our actions are gonna effect others in the future.


anyhoo, good luck with the battle.

 

[xddorox]

Battle won. The teacher admitted that he went overboard and that he could have used something else to drive is point home and he was very sincere about it. I always have respect for people who have the guts to admit their own mistakes and take responsibility for their actions. My daughter will have that apology in writing and she's happy with that, case closed. I believe in freedom since so many have given their lives for me and my kids to have it. But I also believe that your freedom stops where someone else's freedom gets jeopardized. It's a gray line, but that's what living in a democracy is all about.

I'm not mad anymore, thanks for the support guys.

 

[B607]

I would have like to have been a mouse in that room when the administrator talked to the teacher. Hopefully he gave him a choice...an apology or your job! Gerry, do you have a thing called "tenure" in Canada? We have it here, it makes firing a tenured teacher really, really hard. Gary