There you are ,you have laced the same wheel 10 times with no luck. You have read Brown's instructions 20 times. Start with the master spoke ,next to where the inner tube comes through bla bla bla bla.....You try Hugo's instructions which are better and then WHAM! you see it and it is so easy. Its like learning to whistle ....when you get it you wonder why everyone cant do it. You start jerking wheels apart, nipples and spokes falling on the floor like shell casings from an automatic. Lets see Black rim ...red spokes and then chrome rim with stainless spokes...then the imagination is turned loose. Its so easy to clean a lightly rusty rim without all of thoes pesky spokes in the way.....no more sore fingers from sliding steel wool through spokes. NOW is when the problem comes ....what to do with all the wheel sets.ha ha ha