The badge holes on the red CWC bike are vertical unlike the hawthorne badges I've seen, thier screw holes mount horizontal. I have no clue to the red bikes year other than prewar-war-early postwar. I'll watch for estate sales that have bicycles listed and more more often than not lately have several bidders there for the same reason, the bikes. This sale was on a 140yr old farm homestead, no bicycles were listed but the sale add was telling metal scrappers to come. I thought I might find an old bike frame or two in those piles of metal scrap. And there they were on top of a pile of scrap, I pulled them out and had the Auctioneer sell them together SOLD! I payed my $12 and had money left for a cheeseburger and a RC cola to enjoy on the way home! Look for the Huffman built WF on these pages soon, it's my new winter project.